I think we can agree that AI intelligence is only a comp. of stolen human intelligence. As you hit here upon here of course is how that theft is a means of making the works of human arts and thoughts less meaningful than its machine comp...and starting around one-hundred fifty years human labor became less meaningful than machine labor..
a parallel might be the story of John Henry..it was not that John Henry's was less efficient, he was beaten because the machine didn't rest.
But the thing is John Henry's work was efficiently and enduringly completed only by means of human labor. The machine required much more energy to do the same task but the results were less enduring products, they broke down, they didn't endure and overall required more energy to accomplish tasks that couldn't stand the test of time as well as the human's effort did.
But that was the benefit to the "grifter"... more could be made even if a lesser quality that required even more to be made and humans were doubly penalized by the grifter...first their labor was deemed less necessary and profits soared as inefficiency required increased purchasing of the same item; prices soared because the inefficient methodology of production required greater abuse and expanded use of resources which both doubled price due to inefficiency and doubled profit due to vertical monopolization of incorporation.
Good efficient human produced crafts remained higher priced but probably not going to break down and thus cheaper but presented as beyond the means to purchase increasing the need for the human craftsman to increase his price even more as his sales plummeted
Enter AI, and we have the same inefficiency;the same overabundance or excess of "supply" that increased demand only because of its inefficient result.
and of course the goal is to diminish human intelligence in the same way human labor was diminished, not because human labor or intelligence is lesser but by making it of lesser importance the controller of the "intelligence" (technological effort) gets more and controls more (inc. resources necessary for others to labor in thought) can make true human thought less attractive by being able to underbid it with substandard intelligence.
Good points. The white light at the end of the tunnel, is that AI generated content reeks and it's flooding the marketplace. But, people are already tired of it - only true creativity shines through. Most likely ... looking into my slighty cloudy crystal ball, AI will end up coordinating a new revenue model. I don't know what they could look like, but something that gives musicians and artists more direct control over the distribution and revenue of their work. AI is a tool (remember: input/output) like Google search is a tool ... it can't go the distance by itslef, only human creativity and innovation can.
Hey my friend, Thank you for this well placed thought stream on this subject which will be defining so many aspects of human life. True art comes from a human spirit not a data machine. Yes the news revenue models are forming but it is based on drips....You will need many drips to make a living. that is not being discussed. If you are artist and not Taylor Swift then how will people survive. You will always have to feed there Frankenstein. Yes it is a tool which for some has superceded tooldom which is what I am seeing. Thanks again
What is interesting is people will be growing up in survival mode versus thriving mode. Folks will just accept less because they will know no better! This is what I am monitoring. I can't monitor from my perspective but from the teenage/ twenties. These people are projected to be around for 50-60 years. From my assessment these people will accept less due to the religion of convenience. This will be fascinating for me to see how this goes..
This system is now point blank to breed and feed survival not any type of thriving. The whole system is to take down your assets. I have taken my self out of this system in many ways. The system is a slow death march to irrelevancy. I have been absolutely correct in my assessment from 2017 when I realized I was irrelevant. I just didn't know the depth of he irrelevancy. The more I dug and investigated technology I saw the truth and the hideous tentacles and connection to big food/big pharma/big tech. I alwaays knew about the food and meds but the tech connect the dots for a new system. I am well read on the money history but now we are in a new monetary system based on the digital game. I am flabbergasted by all of it. Every day i am peeling back the onion. Bottomline this is a system to push survival not thriving
i agree, AK. We think so much alike, maybe that's why we get along. Here's the clincher: i did lots of work (years of legal/lawful/notices) to extract myself from the system, but now i engage for business, with hesitation, curiosity, and doubt, returning to faith in order to carry on. i'm the eternal optimist by nature. But these times made me a snarky cynic, and i can't stay there for sure. It's an ugly place. So i'm trying a new game, making relative peace with the gamble. And vying for my voice.
I haven't a great deal of familiarity with AI directly,but my google now gives me an Ai=I synopsis upon most of my searches, which slightly more than half of the time is contradicted by simply scrolling past the synopsis and finding articles it says don't exist.
Burt I have seen several examples of AI writing given to me to peruse by others and my advice (often ignored) is don't use it, not because it was AI generated, but were the writings presented to me to judge I haven't yet seen any that were of a quality that I would give it a passing grade.
And I am not really a very harsh critic, but AI generated content is riddled both with errors and its literary content reeks.
Don't know enough about music other than what I like and I've never found a great deal of fondness for overuse of computerized instrumentation before AI and cannot imagine totally AI generated music could do much to arouse my emotional spirit. But it could enhance a further deadening of human responses and limit emotions to angst and anger.
Before Google started spitting out the AI synopsis, most people would rarely look past the first page of the search results - so search engine optimization services were born. But, with the synopsis that doesn't link to a webpage (I think it initially did, but that seems to have disappeared) it is important to start looking deeper at the search results to find credible information sources, scientific research, original content.
great point. i just learned about Mike Adams' uncensored open ai - and while GPT censors me, argues with my experience, and refutes my knowledge, brightanswers.ai gives me treasure to work with! @Akcidentalwriter did you catch that??
yes I caught that!! It is great to see you always. I am very aware of brightanswers.ai. ChatGPT is hot gahbage. You do not belong there. ChatGPT is numb down dumb down instrument. I always looked past the front page of search. I want to see what else is there... that is just me. Thanks for connecting
well, i would agree, except that we have assignments in my coaching program using GP - and it's a "reasoning" ai so it can count and organize and extract; whereas mike adams' brightanswers.ai is not yet reasoning. So for now they serve different purposes, and i get to do the actual "market research" and know for real the distinctions between them. AND WRITE ABOUT THAT!
Hey you are learning the difference which is amazing. I do not use them. I still do all of stuff old fashion. I am not trying to be efficient. Just trying to be absolute and have clarity. You will figure it out.
At least you, i, and most others thus far say WE SMELL THAT CHAT SLOP because it alway sounds the same. i actually saw (then lost) a great post about AI-generated SLOP earlier today. i love that he chose that word for it. SLOP. i've had to use GPT for some biz trainings lately, and i just tell "him" stop with the mundane generic crap and uplevel "his" game. Then we argue, and i rewrite it myself. Poor box. "He" takes it well (and of course agrees with me!)
just reread this to see if i missed anything (except leaving a comment last time). Sadly the beast is insatiable and is far worse than the blob. It has consumed everything already and is sucking on our brain cells as we ponder the next sentence.
Slop, slop and more slop. Data, content, it makes me sick. The fix is in and we'll be sold crud posing as creativity. Problem for them is that true creativity resonates in ways they cannot replicate. I know, for instance, that your writing is real, not AI. Something about AI stinks and if you have the nose for it you can't miss it.
The sad part for me is that this slop will be the standard as we move forward! That is what is bothersome to me. The whole fix was in for decades now that folks have no idea. This generation of A.I will be the first to be brought up on mostly gah - bage. I feel it will bring a renaissance down the road but till then we will be unindated with this stuff and told how mazing and innovated it is. A distinct minority will rebel! The next 5 years will tell the story.
kind of waiting to read this series together...
I think we can agree that AI intelligence is only a comp. of stolen human intelligence. As you hit here upon here of course is how that theft is a means of making the works of human arts and thoughts less meaningful than its machine comp...and starting around one-hundred fifty years human labor became less meaningful than machine labor..
a parallel might be the story of John Henry..it was not that John Henry's was less efficient, he was beaten because the machine didn't rest.
But the thing is John Henry's work was efficiently and enduringly completed only by means of human labor. The machine required much more energy to do the same task but the results were less enduring products, they broke down, they didn't endure and overall required more energy to accomplish tasks that couldn't stand the test of time as well as the human's effort did.
But that was the benefit to the "grifter"... more could be made even if a lesser quality that required even more to be made and humans were doubly penalized by the grifter...first their labor was deemed less necessary and profits soared as inefficiency required increased purchasing of the same item; prices soared because the inefficient methodology of production required greater abuse and expanded use of resources which both doubled price due to inefficiency and doubled profit due to vertical monopolization of incorporation.
Good efficient human produced crafts remained higher priced but probably not going to break down and thus cheaper but presented as beyond the means to purchase increasing the need for the human craftsman to increase his price even more as his sales plummeted
Enter AI, and we have the same inefficiency;the same overabundance or excess of "supply" that increased demand only because of its inefficient result.
and of course the goal is to diminish human intelligence in the same way human labor was diminished, not because human labor or intelligence is lesser but by making it of lesser importance the controller of the "intelligence" (technological effort) gets more and controls more (inc. resources necessary for others to labor in thought) can make true human thought less attractive by being able to underbid it with substandard intelligence.
Wow John Henry!!! That is compelling. Thanks for adding to this conversation
Ken, i think about this too, and wish i didn't agree so strongly. Nuf said.
Good points. The white light at the end of the tunnel, is that AI generated content reeks and it's flooding the marketplace. But, people are already tired of it - only true creativity shines through. Most likely ... looking into my slighty cloudy crystal ball, AI will end up coordinating a new revenue model. I don't know what they could look like, but something that gives musicians and artists more direct control over the distribution and revenue of their work. AI is a tool (remember: input/output) like Google search is a tool ... it can't go the distance by itslef, only human creativity and innovation can.
Hey my friend, Thank you for this well placed thought stream on this subject which will be defining so many aspects of human life. True art comes from a human spirit not a data machine. Yes the news revenue models are forming but it is based on drips....You will need many drips to make a living. that is not being discussed. If you are artist and not Taylor Swift then how will people survive. You will always have to feed there Frankenstein. Yes it is a tool which for some has superceded tooldom which is what I am seeing. Thanks again
how will people survive. Yes that is the question.
What is interesting is people will be growing up in survival mode versus thriving mode. Folks will just accept less because they will know no better! This is what I am monitoring. I can't monitor from my perspective but from the teenage/ twenties. These people are projected to be around for 50-60 years. From my assessment these people will accept less due to the religion of convenience. This will be fascinating for me to see how this goes..
meanwhile, most of the people on the planet have been pushed into survival mode as standard M.O. i'm fighting it all the time myself!
This system is now point blank to breed and feed survival not any type of thriving. The whole system is to take down your assets. I have taken my self out of this system in many ways. The system is a slow death march to irrelevancy. I have been absolutely correct in my assessment from 2017 when I realized I was irrelevant. I just didn't know the depth of he irrelevancy. The more I dug and investigated technology I saw the truth and the hideous tentacles and connection to big food/big pharma/big tech. I alwaays knew about the food and meds but the tech connect the dots for a new system. I am well read on the money history but now we are in a new monetary system based on the digital game. I am flabbergasted by all of it. Every day i am peeling back the onion. Bottomline this is a system to push survival not thriving
i agree, AK. We think so much alike, maybe that's why we get along. Here's the clincher: i did lots of work (years of legal/lawful/notices) to extract myself from the system, but now i engage for business, with hesitation, curiosity, and doubt, returning to faith in order to carry on. i'm the eternal optimist by nature. But these times made me a snarky cynic, and i can't stay there for sure. It's an ugly place. So i'm trying a new game, making relative peace with the gamble. And vying for my voice.
I haven't a great deal of familiarity with AI directly,but my google now gives me an Ai=I synopsis upon most of my searches, which slightly more than half of the time is contradicted by simply scrolling past the synopsis and finding articles it says don't exist.
Burt I have seen several examples of AI writing given to me to peruse by others and my advice (often ignored) is don't use it, not because it was AI generated, but were the writings presented to me to judge I haven't yet seen any that were of a quality that I would give it a passing grade.
And I am not really a very harsh critic, but AI generated content is riddled both with errors and its literary content reeks.
Don't know enough about music other than what I like and I've never found a great deal of fondness for overuse of computerized instrumentation before AI and cannot imagine totally AI generated music could do much to arouse my emotional spirit. But it could enhance a further deadening of human responses and limit emotions to angst and anger.
Many thanks for adding to the conversation.
Before Google started spitting out the AI synopsis, most people would rarely look past the first page of the search results - so search engine optimization services were born. But, with the synopsis that doesn't link to a webpage (I think it initially did, but that seems to have disappeared) it is important to start looking deeper at the search results to find credible information sources, scientific research, original content.
great point. i just learned about Mike Adams' uncensored open ai - and while GPT censors me, argues with my experience, and refutes my knowledge, brightanswers.ai gives me treasure to work with! @Akcidentalwriter did you catch that??
yes I caught that!! It is great to see you always. I am very aware of brightanswers.ai. ChatGPT is hot gahbage. You do not belong there. ChatGPT is numb down dumb down instrument. I always looked past the front page of search. I want to see what else is there... that is just me. Thanks for connecting
well, i would agree, except that we have assignments in my coaching program using GP - and it's a "reasoning" ai so it can count and organize and extract; whereas mike adams' brightanswers.ai is not yet reasoning. So for now they serve different purposes, and i get to do the actual "market research" and know for real the distinctions between them. AND WRITE ABOUT THAT!
Hey you are learning the difference which is amazing. I do not use them. I still do all of stuff old fashion. I am not trying to be efficient. Just trying to be absolute and have clarity. You will figure it out.
At least you, i, and most others thus far say WE SMELL THAT CHAT SLOP because it alway sounds the same. i actually saw (then lost) a great post about AI-generated SLOP earlier today. i love that he chose that word for it. SLOP. i've had to use GPT for some biz trainings lately, and i just tell "him" stop with the mundane generic crap and uplevel "his" game. Then we argue, and i rewrite it myself. Poor box. "He" takes it well (and of course agrees with me!)
Definitely a major, important topic and concern for all of us.
just reread this to see if i missed anything (except leaving a comment last time). Sadly the beast is insatiable and is far worse than the blob. It has consumed everything already and is sucking on our brain cells as we ponder the next sentence.
Thank you for adding to this conversation which is not being discussed enough,
Slop, slop and more slop. Data, content, it makes me sick. The fix is in and we'll be sold crud posing as creativity. Problem for them is that true creativity resonates in ways they cannot replicate. I know, for instance, that your writing is real, not AI. Something about AI stinks and if you have the nose for it you can't miss it.
The sad part for me is that this slop will be the standard as we move forward! That is what is bothersome to me. The whole fix was in for decades now that folks have no idea. This generation of A.I will be the first to be brought up on mostly gah - bage. I feel it will bring a renaissance down the road but till then we will be unindated with this stuff and told how mazing and innovated it is. A distinct minority will rebel! The next 5 years will tell the story.
AK, we must keep refined language alive and well, before the standard is so low it's all 3-letter acronyms that mean nothing at all.
you are so right on target
SOUL and SOUL'S survival might well be the end of the boring chatbox who thought he knew it ALL..